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  Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 09-14-2014 WT Study (UNRIGHTEOUSNESS)

  by blondie in

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  2. friends

  comments you will not hear at the 09-14-2014 wt study (july 15, 2014, pages 12-16 (renounce unrighteousness).

  http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/?contentlanguagefilter=en&pubfilter=w&yearfilter=2014.

  review comments will be headed outside the boxes.

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  Muddy Waters

  88JM -- haha, didn't some of the older bound volumes have red edges like that on their pages?
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  Love, Watchtower Style (redux)

  by Farkel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  "right now three things remain: faith, hope, and love.

  but the greatest of these is love.

  " - 1 corinthians 13:13.

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  Muddy Waters

  Good quotes here, especially the one about the laws of the land preventing modern day JWs killing apostates. (1st post, about 3 subheadings down, under Respect and Love for Human Life.)
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  Dubs - Paradoxes From Hell

  by Farkel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  dubs - paradoxes from hell.

  jesus said his yoke was kindly and light.. dubs brag their religion is the "hardest religion in the world.".

  the bible tells children to honor their parents.. the wts tells children to betray their parents.. if dubs really live in a "spiritual paradise," why do their lives have to be threatened to stay in it?.

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  Muddy Waters

  Miss you, Farkal. This -- excellent
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  w14 12/15-E Study Edition

  by wifibandit in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  click "premium download".

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  pdf: http://bayfiles.net/file/1kv2k/uaqn2y/w_e20141215.pdf.

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  Muddy Waters

  You know what also gets me about this WT, is the pictures.
  
  The one on page 17, shows us a witness family going to the movies. WT wants us to examine closely their photos and pictures to get the meaning, right?
  
  Well, let's see. Here we have a youngish boy looking at the cool new "VALGAARD" movie. And look at the SPY NETWORK at work! There's mom, looking at him in that creepy Caleb-mom way, full of dismay, disappointment, and realization that she'll need to "re-adjust" her son for being interested in that movie. And look at the family leaving, they must be JWs, too, and of course they're staring and judging and wondering what the other family is going to do. Because obviously, there is NOTHING GOOD to see here. Movies about some violent Valgaard person, another western-looking movie about "killers", and a lady in a red dress holding a gun and obviously up to no good.
  
  So there goes one faithful witness family, out the door, but not before judging the other family and letting us all know how wrong and bad this all is.
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  I put the kingdom first! Now look what happened...

  by Julia Orwell in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  i put the kingdom first - by sheree stokell.

  so they dunked me in a pool.

  armageddon would be here soon.

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  Muddy Waters

  Powerful. Sad. And true. :(
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  Your final WTF? Moment!

  by restrangled in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it was a long time coming for me.....when i read about the extened generations, after being raised on1914 being the be all end all, and millions would never die....that was the end.

  i was part of the 1975 fiasco, the 6 month only truth book studies, suffered through a disifellowshipping and their version of a rewind.

  i finally am free and hope others can eventually look in instead of inside looking out!

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  Muddy Waters

  My final WTF moment was a culmination of previous moments and thoughts, those previous thoughts all submerged obediently.
  
  
  - the generation teaching which changed & became "over-lapping"

  - the acceptability of blood fractions

  - reporting field service time

  - feeling like you're on a constant treadmill, never good enough or doing enough

  - the elders "going beyond the things written"

  - and finally, the WTF culmination moment:

  I was going to give the book, "My Book of Bible Stories" to my little grandchildren (who, thank goodness, were NOT being raised as JWs!). I looked at the book through their little eyes and was shocked. So many scary, frightening pictures! So much blood, so much violence!! Who could put out and approve such a book for little children?? When I realized that the governing body would have to approve this book, it stunned me. I also knew that most of the GB did not even have children of their own, yet here they were putting out a nightmarish book which would terrorize children. How could a book such as this make children want to draw close to God?? I wish I had seen this with my own little children.
  
  When I began questioning the wisdom of the GB, when I began doubting them, it all began to fall apart. I started to see the WTS as another man-made, man-led religion, and the house of cards began to fall down. It gave me courage to read Ray Franz's books, and that was the end of it for me.
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  Were you surprised when you went in service for the first time....

  by Muddy Waters in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  were you surprised when you went in service for the first time (this question is prob for those who were not born-in) --.

  when i first had the "privilege" of going in field service as an unbaptized publisher, i remember feeling so surprised at everybody's apparent slowness.

  all the talks at the kh emphasized how we were in the last days, doing a life saving, critical, never to be repeated, work, etc., yet you get in the car group and ignore people walking right by or coming toward the car, and then slowly walk from house to house.

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  Muddy Waters

  Were you surprised when you went in service for the first time (this question is prob for those who were NOT born-in) --

  When I first had the "privilege" of going in field service as an unbaptized publisher, I remember feeling so surprised at everybody's apparent SLOWNESS. All the talks at the KH emphasized how we were in the last days, doing a life saving, critical, never to be repeated, work, etc., yet you get in the car group and ignore people walking right by or coming toward the car, and then SLOWLY walk from house to house. The sisters would fumble with their book bags forever in the car, some would start going over presentations with each other (weren't you already supposed to be prepared??), people would start long rambling monologues about what they would say to their return visits, and tell you the whole boring story of the person they were calling on & what literature they placed with them last time, etc. Then you would sit in the car sometimes while others would go visit their RVs, and when you finally went for coffee, nobody talked to anybody in the restaurant or deli... We sat there with our coffee and donut and talked only with each other. What happened to witnessing in the streets and marketplaces, synagogues, etc?

  I just remember feeing so surprised, because field service wasn't at all what I expected or thought it would be, according to how the gospel accounts depicted it, and how the meetings emphasized it so much. I was also surprised to see how inept and nervous most people were at the doors, and how so many brothers and sisters appeared relieved when nobody answered the door. Field service often felt so pointless, and even when I was a zealous super-dub, it was hard not to feel discouraged and depressed after being out for a morning. But of course I always felt that the fault lay within me somewhere. I was the one not doing it right, or not going out at the right time, or not having Jehovah's blessing, blah blah blah.

  Anyway, were YOU surprised when you went in the ministry for the first time/times....? (or half a time, lol ...)
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  You know, I recently believed that Jesus was a cool guy....

  by Muddy Waters in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  after leaving the jdub world, for awhile it still seemed like the bible was still a holy book, something valuable, worthy, etc., and that the jw religion had just corrupted it and used it to their own ends.. i thought that jesus was like a bhudda, a guy going around taking about peace and love and who exposed the hypocrisy of the religious leaders.. .

  but he also said some hurtful things, harmful things, things like dividing up your family, things like whoever had more affection for their family than for him was not worthy of him, to not take time to bury your father but go preaching instead... to send out his followers without any food for the day but to rely on the kindness of others and believe that that kindness and charity expressed gods blessing and favour.... bah!.

  i now believe jesus was just another man, saying both good things and stupid things.

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  Muddy Waters

  After leaving the Jdub world, for awhile it still seemed like the bible was still a holy book, something valuable, worthy, etc., and that the JW religion had just corrupted it and used it to their own ends.

  I thought that Jesus was like a Bhudda, a guy going around taking about peace and love and who exposed the hypocrisy of the religious leaders.

  But he also said some hurtful things, harmful things, things like dividing up your family, things like whoever had more affection for their family than for him was not worthy of him, to not take time to bury your father but go preaching instead... To send out his followers without any food for the day but to rely on the kindness of others and believe that that kindness and charity expressed gods blessing and favour.... Bah!

  I now believe jesus was just another man, saying both good things and stupid things. And he didn't even write his own stuff down, but other people wrote stuff about him and made a whole new religion and following-a-man thing out of him....

  Why cant people just do good things and be good people just because it is a good thing to do?
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  A wife's submission

  by Mark_C in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm relatively new to the faith, and struggle with many concepts and teachings.

  i am getting married soon.

  part of the teaching i've experienced is that a wife must learn submission to her husband.

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  Muddy Waters

  The apostle Paul was never married, yet gave marital advice.

  it reminds me of the GB, who, for the majority, don't have children, yet give advice on child rearing. They also give advice on field service when they themselves rarely go, if ever.

  headship, submission -- bah! As a female totally-believing-it-all good little JW, all it made me do was learn how to be manipulative and passive-aggressive with my dear husband, who, thankfully, was much more balanced than I was in the JW world. I was a self righteous little bitch who controlled the tv, the family's recreation, anything we chose to read, watch, or do... All "submissively"' of course.
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  Arrogant Titles for Elders and Company Men

  by punkofnice in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was thinking of the arrogant titles jw's give up the pecking order.

  teachers.

  glorious ones.

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  Muddy Waters

  "... A heavy crag...

  a shelter from the windstorm

  a place of concealment..."

  yes, even humble servants....